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Offline NicoG

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Rules (updated jan 27)
« on: January 24, 2007, 18:42:24 PM »
It is still a preliminary version, so some things will change, but JM
insisted that the main parameters are now fixed (such as length, beam,
draft, mast height, etc…)

The discussion should concern more the nature of the materials and systems
allowed and obviously their impact on performance and price…

And keep it nice....
for rules see below the newer ones
« Last Edit: January 26, 2007, 22:12:31 PM by Leov »

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Re: Rules
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 09:03:31 AM »
Correct me if I did not read correctly but I did not see which material is allowed for the bowsprit ? I assume this is carbon as with a 3 meters sprit, there is no other solution...

Otherwise, a lot of the rules come straight out of the classe mini serie jauge.

Is there already a class set up ?


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Re: Rules
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 09:14:03 AM »
"Mast and spars: any material is permitted except for high modulus carbon fibre
(> 245 Gpa)"

So indeed, carbon is allowed for the bowsprit.

Two versions have been developed, one based on the mini serie jauge (the one presented here), and another one based the Class 40 rule. I don't know which one will be chosen for now; the person to ask would be JM Vidal...



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Re: Rules
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 09:54:02 AM »
I will hopefully get hte newer rules, and can publish them.

Cheerio Leo

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Re: Rules
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 22:11:59 PM »
NEW RULES:

www.minitransat650.com/950 rules 2 fr.pdf

www.minitransat650.com/950 rules 2.pdf

ps translated from Fr to Uk by fox design, not by me.... thanks.
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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 17:46:41 PM »
There is a translation problem in English Version Paragraph 205:

"Le franc bord moyen ne doit pas être inférieur à 1 m"  has been translated as 'the mean freeboard must not exceed 1m'.

It should read the complete opposite: 'The mean freeboard height must not be less than 1m'.

Is someone in a position to pass this on?

Cheers
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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2007, 09:33:15 AM »
My mistake...
Thanks for spotting it.

One should indeed read '"the mean freeboard must not be less than 1m"

Some late discussions about the rule have concerned the limitation of the upwind sail area and the minimum rule displacement.
Indeed, the sail area has been limited to 80 m² upwind while there has been quite a tight discussion about the minimum displacement and the possibility for small production boats built to the ISO structural standards to meet this minimum.
The value of 2600 kg was finally chosen by JM Vidal.

The class committee is being created and i shall be the correspondent for the UK and English speaking people. As a result, please feel free to contact me for any query you may have. (charles@fox-tech.fr)
 
Cheers,

Charles

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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 09:50:53 AM »
Hi all,

Here are the latest updates of the rule:

- the maximum beam is down to 3.70m
- the displacement is up to 2700 kg (to enable production boats designed to the RCD structural requirements to be as close to the minimum displacement as possible)
- the sail area is now limited to 80m²
- the aft extremity of the boom/mainsail must be at least 40cm forward of the transom
- the engine must now have a minimum power enabling a motoring speed of 5.55 kts
- lifting rudder blades are permitted
- the total number of sails is now 8 including storm and trysails

The rule committee is being formed and discussions with the FFV (french federation) are in progress in order to make the rule official.

Cheers,

Charles

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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 17:40:14 PM »
still sounds good...

do you have an idea behind this rule ?

- the aft extremity of the boom/mainsail must be at least 40cm forward of the transom


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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 23:29:14 PM »
I guess it is aimed to make the boom free of the runners/checkstays for ease of handling during tacking/gybing...
It is similar to what have been applied on the Class40s...

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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 17:24:56 PM »
like the minis (25 cm) but they hang in the backstay, actually sometimes a safety feature :)

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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 20:59:02 PM »
Here are the latest rules in French...
And the Class statement.


And here a message from Vidal:badly translated by me, but you will get it i hope.:
included documents: the rules 9,50 and the statutes of the class as set down in prefecture and send to the ffv for recognition. 
 
We now work  and already have the  setting up a race calendar for these boats (The program considers shopping is had ideal l the next one, according to the development of the class and fleets,: in 2009, for the north,  is ecosse or norvege, for l west  lorient-dublin types or Porto , for the med  france-maghreb types (marseille-alger, sete-tunis) or Malta. These races would be based on the d principle a to go return with final to the port of departure (economy for the runner, facilitate for l promoter). In 2010, a race more ambitious lisbonne-madere-acores-lisbonne style, and then surely a transat.). Each can bring its stone has l building. By his/her/its ideas and c suggestions is well, by his/her/its c action is even better. 
 
Good wind has you and has our projects. 
 
Jean Marie Vidal.
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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2007, 17:33:11 PM »
Not so bad Leo, May i try to make it clearer though:

Please find attached the classe 9.50 rule as well as the class statements as they have been handed in to the prefecture (local authorities) and to the FFV (french sailing federation) for recognition.

We are already working on setting up a race calendar specific to these boats. The following program is a kind of ideal to be validated considering the developments of the class and of the (regional) fleets:
In 2009 - for the north : something like Channel towards East Scottland or Norway
           - for the west : something like Lorient towards Dublin or Porto
           - for the med : something like France towards Maghreb (marseille - alger or sete - tunis) or Malta
these races would be based on the concept of return races  where the final arrival is the starting place (savings for the skippers, and easier for the organisers)

In 2010 : something a little bit more ambitious like Lisboa - Madere - Azores - Lisboa and then probably a transat.

Everybody is welcome to bring its help to the project. Through ideas of course but also actions are even better.




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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2007, 10:46:31 AM »
Hi all,
would you please include me in the mailing list for info about Classe 9.50 : bot(at)ecole-navale(dot)fr
I am really interested in such a class (coming from minis, not rich enough for Class 40... target sailor for 9.50)
I've seen several plans, what about builders ?
Thanks

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Re: Rules (updated jan 27)
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2007, 17:37:14 PM »
Patrick, nice to hear of you again.
I do not have a mailinglist about it, maybe Vidal ?

If you have 6 guys together, for 6 boats, then call me :)
A few designers are promoting it, lets hope some will be getting build.

PS, i am now in HOlland, and all yards here for speciality build boats are fully booked for at least two years...