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Rolland dingo any good ?
« on: September 06, 2010, 11:06:28 AM »
Hi,  I'm considering buying the 2001 Rolland Dingo 305. The mast has been moved aft 16 inches to improve upwind performance. The boat is very clean and has good equipment.
I and the boat are in California and I would be racing down the west coast and to Hawaii in the single handed trans PAC.

I don' know a lot about old minis. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 13:16:42 PM »
Was the mast movement done under guidance of the designer ? Or a screwball job ?

THis mini sailed a few races in Europe without big problems and midfleet. So it was then not a bad boat.
http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire%20des%20Minis/305.htm

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 18:53:04 PM »
Was the mast movement done under guidance of the designer ? Or a screwball job ?


It was recommended by Rolland and seems to be a good job.
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 22:28:04 PM »
Next step is to get a composite guy look at the boat/mast, and someone with some knowledge about metal look at the keel structure. If thats all right, get it if priced right.

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 03:37:09 AM »
Great thanks Leo. I was concerned that this was a slow design, I guess it isn't.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 18:51:08 PM »
Another concern


I am seriously considering buying the 2000 Rolland Dingo #305. But,  it weighs 2434 lbs.  or 1,104 kg making it the heaviest mini in northern California. Emma Creighton’s  Rogers design #574 weighs 1874 lbs. or 850 kg   that’s 560 lbs or three big crew and their gear.
574 also has 60 sq feet more spinnaker area than 305. I don’t see how I could ever be competitive with those numbers. Any thoughts?
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 04:09:45 AM »
If you want light, Drew's boat, 577, is arguably one of the lightest proto builds out there and a steal for anyone who wants a carbon proto in North America.

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 08:30:09 AM »
I have an email into Drew but from an add from 9 months ago. Does he still have the boat? If you know him tell him I'm looking for him.

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Phil
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 03:34:35 AM »
Hi Phil,

I can be contacted at drew@usa650.com, or alternatively at (401) 835-2195.

I still have the boat, though I had a potential buyer fly down to TX a couple weeks ago to look at it. Nothing yet from him, so I suppose it is still for sale if you are interested. It is from the same mould as 305, though there are a lot of changes made to the rest of the design. The primary differences are that the boat is constructed entirely in Unidirectional Carbon, and we removed a lot of the interior bulkheads and put in ringframes instead. We have never weighed the boat all up, but we think based on the weights of all the parts we do know that the boat is something like 1700 lbs or so.

305 is a glass hull and deck with a few carbon reinforcements, so it's weight is more like a series boat than a proto. (Though the eKo we built from the same mould is significantly less than 305 and most of the other boats in North America protos included!)

Drew

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 06:25:13 AM »
Sent you an email thanks
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 14:14:24 PM »
Fuck thats heavy... Glass does not mean to be heavy, look at the 251 Finot.
Curious were the weight is. If you still consider it. Empty the boat, keel off, mast of rudders of, stanchions of, weigh it. Then you know hull weight.
There are so many lies around about weight and how to measure it.

But I would buy Drews if I could afford it.

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 21:52:50 PM »
Fuck thats heavy...
But I would buy Drews if I could afford it.

Thats what I said. I'm not considering 305 any longer too heavy. I am in communication with Drew.

Thanks
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2010, 11:41:26 AM »
For other people still interestedin 305, find out how that figure was based on, remember one lead battery is alone more then 20 kg. Rig, 50 plus, etc.
ONce in a mini port I bribed the cranedriver to give me the weights of the boats he hoisted. Surprise (or not), a lot are heavier then claimed... Had an empty serie boat sans rigging, with batt and some small stuff coming over 1200kg. Weight claimed then by builder, 900 kg.

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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2010, 06:24:42 AM »
I'm happy to report that 577 is no longer for sale.

Cheers

Phil
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Re: Rolland dingo any good ?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 23:28:45 PM »
Good luck with it.