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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2009, 03:42:48 AM »
Couple of questions:
Is that a strip of carbon I see in this pic? : http://www.thirdcoastcomposites.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6
Also, it was my understanding that epoxy is a no-no in Series boats.
So my questions have to do with what I am seeing in the pic and what is allowed for Series (or pending Series) boats.

Thanks

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2009, 02:51:30 AM »
Hi Sam,

Congratulations to the 3CCs team.  I wish I could be present when you 'unveil & launch" the eKo.
I have been following progress on your website - thanks for posting the pics.

I do have a couple of questions if you feel inclined to add a few lines to your next post:
Will there be any features of the eKo that will easily allow one to differentiate between her & her wealthier carbon relatives?
Will you weigh the boat before you launch her?
What will the rudders weigh without the hardware?
What is the colour of the deck & who chose it?
How extensive will the option list be?

Cheers,

A


 

We will weigh her before she splashes.

The rudders weigh less than 10 lbs without hardware.

The cockpit is a custom blend that Katie created. More I look at it, I think it looks like the color on the 55 Chevy Nomad. Katie haddn't a clue what I was talking about.

We are currently working on the options list.

Sam
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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2009, 02:56:06 AM »
Couple of questions:
Is that a strip of carbon I see in this pic? : http://www.thirdcoastcomposites.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6
Also, it was my understanding that epoxy is a no-no in Series boats.
So my questions have to do with what I am seeing in the pic and what is allowed for Series (or pending Series) boats.

Thanks

Good eye. That is carbon and that rudder is actually for Denver Hopkins Prototype that we have at the shop.

We are using epoxy foam between polyester and fiberglass skins for the series. That is allowed.

I will move those pictures to the correct section.

Sam
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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2009, 03:35:50 AM »
Sam,
Thanks for the clarification. Things look great.

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2009, 18:51:15 PM »
Sweet........

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2009, 22:31:10 PM »
"Those were the days my friend,
We thought they 'd never end  .. "

More retro please Sam ..

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2009, 03:09:08 AM »
Getting very close to the water.

Shot of the cockpit.

Rudders being test fit.
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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2009, 18:21:20 PM »
hi everyone,

new to this forum, i have been following the minis for several years now.
i am happy to see that the minis are finally built in the USA.
being myself in the nautical industry, we are evaluating starting the production of a "production mini" here in the USA. Until we finalize all the details, the boat will definitely be one of the fastest production mini currently built in europe, using a second set of molds.

Hoping some of you will react (in a positive way) to this post, we will definitely announce more information and specifics as they become available.

our goal is also to help promoting the class and organize races, across the USA and hopefully participate to other classes with our european friends.

thanks

osc007

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2009, 19:07:18 PM »
Ohoh, only two healthy European yards and I bet youre not talking about the Pogo/ Structures. I am even not that sure of Haute MAritime, but the seems to go alright but selling low numbers, they must be making money in an other area... and I bet you do not mean the outdated SuperCalin1 you maybe still can buy, but it is yrs a go one was sold I believe.
Nacira, Tiptop; Zero, all are in financial problems.
Mistral, Twister, Sc2, Race2win, that Brest group, the Belgian group etc all dead as the parrot in the MOnthy Python sketch.

SO please, tell us the name.
And why does not Adrian sells them ?

And one problem for the Classe Mini, for being able to use a set of moulds the European parent company must have a large financial stake in the US subsidiary.
Otherwise its classed as a different serie, so you have to do the qualifications etc again. Thats not a big deal though. But selling ten again is.
Because all American boatyards (TamTam, M650 and Eko) have not sold ten all together.

So I wish you luck, and very deep pockets to make this a reality instead of a dream.
(read 200K as investment needed if you already have a boatshop)

And as you are still in evaluation period, I am available as advisor (built the Zero for yrs, worked with Adrian etc) Maybe it will cost you a few thousand, and it will save you probably tenfold...
« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 19:10:41 PM by Leov »

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2009, 03:13:55 AM »
OSC007,

Listen to Leov, he tried to warn me. Did I listen, oh no, but I am building boats and still working on making the $$$'s work.

Sam
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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2009, 06:15:51 AM »
could have been the whiskey,
might have been the gin,
could have been the three or four six packs, I don't know
but look at the shape I'm in...

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2009, 13:38:25 PM »
Thank you all for the advice. We are definitely exploring all aspects of building a great production mini transat in the USA. This will take a little time but already, we've made some nice progress.
With the eko boat, and hopefully our boat, by combining our efforts and maybe use the same suppliers, we can leverage our overall expenses and purchase more efficiently.

I truly believe that, for a project to succeed, one must do the best for himself and for the project. Building a mini transat is more than building a boat. The key is that all builders must work together to win.

There's lots of things to do and if we give the project a go, we will definitely announce all the details on this forum.

Cheers

OSC007

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #57 on: December 25, 2009, 15:15:11 PM »
So pour your money into Sams business, better then pouring it in a fledging Eu yard :)

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2010, 15:55:19 PM »
Hi everyone,

The word went out yesterday with our newsletter that we (Open Sailing) will be now the builder for the Pogo 2. Shortly after the newsletter went out, one of the readers called us up to talk about more details...and mentioned on the mini class forum that we had 3 boats pre-sold. That is not exact. We have one deposit, working on another one and will also build a boat for us (demo, racing, boat shows). In other words, we will start production with 2 boats, maybe 3.

We are still working on the final pricing structure but our target price is under $55K for the boat, complete with standing and running rigging (no sails, no trailer).
Of course, starting production in this difficult times is a challenge, but we have been very successful with the Open 5.70 (also a Finot design) and are well prepared to build the Pogo 2, with an incredible support from Pogo Structures in France.

We are working on a proposal for sailors who would be interested in the boat and will offer the boat at $50K for those who are ready to pull the trigger before the end of February. A deposit will be required of course. As mentioned, we have one deposit, which is great and we can't wait to start building.

Speaking of which, our builder is Columbia Yachts, out of Santa Ana, CA. Columbia Yachts is currently building the Open 5.70 for us and has so far done an excellent job doing so. With our support and quality control, each Open 5.70 that comes out of CY factory is an exact replica of the French ones.
The same quality control and attention to details are expected with the Pogo 2. As a matter of fact, once we have received the tooling from France, the French composite specialist of Pogo Structures will be traveling to So. Cal. in order to walk us through the production of the first boat.

At this time, we are looking at the logistics in importing the tooling from France. Although a mini fits (somewhat) in a container, the tooling doesn't ! ;) If all goes as planned, the tooling will be in the USA around April.
For the first 5 boats to be build, we are looking at one boat per month.
After that, we will be able to reduce the production time, as long as we can build more than one boat at a time.

Until we really figure all the prices and options out, we are happy to launch the production of the Pogo 2 here in the USA. The Pogo 2 is definitely not the latest design, but it is definitely the benchmark boat in the Mini world. It is great for us and the U.S. mini class. As far as racing, we haven't looked at the calendar too closely yet. There are plenty of races we could race the boat with in California. Maybe, MAYBE, our boat will be ready in time for the Pacific Cup...and we will double handed to Hawaii for the maiden voyage.

If you are interested, feel free to check our website. We are working on the Pogo 2 page on the site...although most of you already know the boat. Price list and options will also be updated in the next 2 weeks.

Sincerely,

Jerome

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Re: New NA Mini Builder
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2010, 15:59:26 PM »
I tried to enter the Mini Class NA Forum but still can't login: "Your account is still awaiting admin approval."

can anyone help?