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Title: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: Jim 505 on February 07, 2018, 20:34:46 PM
Does anyone have any opinions on the Chris Pitts mini 565?

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2005/Mini-Transat-Chris-Pitts-Custom-2713580/North-Kingstown/RI/United-States (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2005/Mini-Transat-Chris-Pitts-Custom-2713580/North-Kingstown/RI/United-States)


I understand the carbon mast is broken, and the keel is cracked and likely needs replacing. I’m not afraid to tackle either of these problems.


Before the boat was damaged was it any good? Is it worth the effort?


How would I best transport the boat across to the west coast? Does anyone have recommendations on a good boat transport company?
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: Herver on February 07, 2018, 21:14:09 PM
Hello Jim,
Have you checked this : http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire%20des%20Minis/565.htm
Not so much races ... Does not help so much
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: Jim 505 on February 07, 2018, 21:19:36 PM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: Thomas on February 08, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
Looks heavy to me, could probably be lightened slightly. Still an old design. No idea on how good it can actually be.

You will need a road trailer or a boat transport company. It heavily depends on who is available in your area or around Kingston, RI.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on August 22, 2018, 18:57:45 PM
I am driving down to check this boat out this weekend and will take more pics.  If anybody has questions or specific requests, let me know. 


As to transport, Uship.com is basically the ebay of shipping, and I've had good luck with them in the past.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on August 26, 2018, 01:44:44 AM
She's rough.  I'll upload some pics when I get home, but basically the yard owns her now...an English gentleman had been daysailing her before he had her pulled...he was planning a move back to England and asked them to help him sell the boat.  During a move, the boat shifted in the slings.  Her keel (metal framework? with wood and carbon) needs to be completely rebuilt.  A stanchion is all bent resulting in damage to the deck, and her mast is snapped.  What's especially confusing to me was that the "carbon" mast was actually a solid wooden spar with an outer carbon shell.  She's tubby compared to other minis I've seen, but oh my!  I don't think you'd find more room down below...she's cavernous.  Cockpit, not so much.  I'll get some pics up early this week for anybody interested. She's been for sale at least two years...they're asking 4900 and it includes unbolting keel and loading it on to your trailer as well as a (larger) aluminum mast...the broker threatened to put the boat in the dumpster and sell sails and instruments for more than asking price, but the elecs are outdated and the sails are boutique...my thoughts are if they were going to do that, it would have been around the time they bought the boat by breaking it.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on August 27, 2018, 23:40:16 PM

I have more pictures of the inside and whatnot if anybody is interested further.  The keel appears to be carbon over wood and would need to be completely replaced.  The aluminum mast is what the yard is selling with the boat to replace the wood one, although it it a bit bigger than the carbon/wood one that it is meant to replace.  The mast isn't really wet, but broke instead because of the massive amount of hardward that was placed at the spreaders. It seems as if it was only a matter of time.  I am not sure if this is the original mast or not.



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Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: Jim 505 on August 28, 2018, 01:22:01 AM
Thanks for having a look and posting a report.


I don’t think she sounds like a suitable project for me.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on August 28, 2018, 03:38:21 AM
No problem at all, glad you got the PM.  There are a couple on the west coast for sale via sailboatlistings if you're budget allows.  Best of luck in the search.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: danielhorton83 on September 17, 2018, 00:37:17 AM
about to buy this, wish me luck! Does anyone know what the keel design is like, guessing it's stainless rods to the bulbs surrounded by wood with a carbon coating?
cheers
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 17, 2018, 05:00:01 AM
Good luck! If you'd seriously like to buy this, I am happy to elaborate as to the construction and repairs necessary. It is not stainless.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: danielhorton83 on September 17, 2018, 05:17:35 AM
Pretty serious, I am about to put a deposit on it haha. I know its carbon coated, wondering how it is still together though.  Id be worried if it was just foam or something, kind of guessed t had some bolts or rods running the whole way through it as well....

Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 17, 2018, 05:37:58 AM
PM me contact information and I'll send you everything I have.
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: danielhorton83 on September 17, 2018, 05:41:56 AM
Ah sorry, by all means go for it, just seemed to have been there for a while, seems a waste and was looking for a project, am stuck in thrunderbolt marine in Savannah for 4 months so was going to bring her here... any info you have would be great though. 
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 17, 2018, 05:44:23 AM
Thunderbolt?!?! Gotta love those 6 Krispy Kremes and the paper every morning! 
Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 17, 2018, 19:10:45 PM
The first couple show damage to the belly of the boat, not sure what dug into her but, judging by the rot of the wood, the damaged area has been submerged.

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Tiller shot, standing water from improper blocking.


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These are the longitudinals on either side of the cabin.  I'm guessing that there was water in the boat at some point, but it had been pumped by the time I go there.   The sails in the bags were built by Chris, not Doyle. The bags were merely ones he had around the shop.


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This is what I PMd him:



She's carbon over plywood.  The keel needs to be completely rebuilt...it's not stainless...there is a 1.5" steel rod that connects the bottom bulb to another metal half bulb that is bolted to the underside of the hull.  The wood and carbon is all shot, as indicated in the pics, and the metal is bent.  It is high carbon steel (very hard but not very flexible,) so there is a good chance that it is cracked and, if so, it has to be replaced and cannot be repaired.  There is no way to tell whether or not that strut is salvageable without cutting in to the keel.  Furthermore there is damage from the drop to the internal grid work that supports the keel.


There is damage to the hull on the underside as pictured...needs to be reaved out and recored. Topsides are wet in the cockpit because the yard has it nose down and she isn't draining...recore.  Deck is punctured by stanchion from the fall...recore. Interior longitudinals in cabin are rotten, I suspect that she had standing water inside at some point.


Mast is trash and the aluminum replacement they are offering with the boat won't actually fit, nor would you want to go to an upsized, heavier extrusion.  What running rigging left is trash.


There is no trailer, and the yard has it blocked like a regular boat instead of properly supporting it in a cradle.


There is a decent sail inventory numbers wise, but it's all the original '05 sails and they were all built by the original builder.


What electronics that are there are all last gen raymarine and may or may not work.  Tillerpilot is only an ST series.  Tiller is delaminated and needs rebuilt.


What hardware/winches/clutches/blocks that are left are all heavier cruising grade for strength as opposed to the lighter harken or lewmar race units.   


Also of note (and as you mentioned that she is "weird") is that the boat itself was built for a different purpose than the transat...she was built to sail in the far northern waters of the atlantic.  She has a lot of freeboard and, while I'm told faster upwind than other minis, cannot hang with them off the wind, so at the end of the work and expense you're left with a niche boat with no potential market to sell to, especially now that anything not scow bowed is obsolete in the mini world....Not sure if you follow the mini circuit or what your potential plans would be, but she wouldn't be competitive against other minis in any downwind race.


I've talked a bit with Chris and estimates are roughly 17k to get it ready for paint and finishing, that includes a new wooden mast.  So figure another 3 to 5 in paint, 2 or so in a trailer, and another 2k in running rigging to have a race ready boat with 15 year old sails and a cedar mast.  If you wanted a carbon rig, probably another 5-10k on top of that.  Comparatively, race ready Pogo 2's (the winning-est mini design to date) are $30k all day long with a trailer once you expand your search beyond the US...roughly 5k to get them stateside via ship and that's loaded to bear with gear and a trailer.  There are 20k protos available in Canada. Hell even the brand new Pogo 3s are starting to come up at around 80k as the race gets closer...it seems like everyone is liquidating to go to the newer scows which are significantly faster off the breeze.  Also of note is that she is 550 pounds heavier than a Pogo 2.




Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 17, 2018, 21:14:47 PM

Interior shots

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Title: Re: Chris Pitts Mini 565
Post by: revision on September 28, 2018, 17:27:47 PM
So I learned some more stuff.  The boat really does draw almost 7 feet, that's not a typo.  It's built to the box rule, so the mast is subsequently shorter to compensate.  Also, the keel cannot be removed from the boat without significant cutting of the structures...it is bolted but is also extensively glassed in place.  Any work has to be done on the boat.