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Title: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on January 06, 2008, 17:00:40 PM
Wanted to let you know that boats are being built in NA. We will soon be building mini's on a production basis.

We are currently starting the hull on a proto type for an undisclosed customer.

More info to come.

Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: windswept on January 09, 2008, 07:54:37 AM
 Is this the same hull that phils foils biult a model for, the plastic sheet, is that supposed to block
our view and keep us in suspence. I have a short attention span, most everything doesn't occur overnight.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on January 10, 2008, 15:25:15 PM
Wind,

The blue tarp is part of a tease......

This is a shot of the first layer of carbon going in the starboard side of the mold.

NA-B
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on January 23, 2008, 18:15:44 PM
Any new news?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on February 10, 2008, 23:48:57 PM
Hull skin is complete and structure is going in a little behind schedule, but not bad. Cold weather keeps epoxy for kicking fast.

Oh well.

More to come this week.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: spark1 on February 13, 2008, 22:02:27 PM
Sounds/looks like an interesting project! Do you have a website?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on May 19, 2008, 04:20:36 AM
Finished up the starboard side of the split hull mold today. Yeah.

Will start the port side on Tuesday.

NAB
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on May 31, 2008, 16:22:46 PM
Hull mold is complete. Need to mount the support frame and start on the deck.

NAB
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on June 09, 2008, 00:11:59 AM
Took the molds off the Mini. Will start the deck mold this week.

NAB
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on June 09, 2008, 16:56:25 PM
Dont you need reinforcement on the mold. And done on the plug so shape stays the same.
Reckon the plug will be transported too, and then it will be done.
Make sure you connect the corner stern SB and port too.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on June 09, 2008, 17:06:23 PM
Agreed it does look like the mold would be pretty flexible. There does appear to be a "box" type of stringer running along the mold halves. Was more expecting to see something like this:http://m65usa.com/Gallery/Build/Hull%20Mold/Pull/Pull-Images/4.jpg (http://m65usa.com/Gallery/Build/Hull%20Mold/Pull/Pull-Images/4.jpg)
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on June 09, 2008, 20:12:34 PM
Do not like that one either, yes I am picky...
Metal like that with different temperatures will move.
IS that m65 project any further, it has been years and years... If they are not quick they are outdated when they hit the water....
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on June 09, 2008, 20:34:48 PM
True about the metal (steel) frame moving at a different rate than the glass one.
No idea about the M65, agreed that the boat may be outdated before it is even launched with the new boats coming into the market (race2win, D2, and nacira)
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on June 10, 2008, 15:48:15 PM
I was beginning to think no one was looking...... ;-)

The mold design included ton's of glass and core to stiffen the complete thing. Large flange area's in the stern, bow centerline and shear line work as stiffener's. Yes there will be a 'rod' accross the stern at shear line to keep the back of the mold in place.

Thanks for the comments.

NAB
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on June 10, 2008, 21:51:22 PM
Oh I am looking :)
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: pogen on June 30, 2008, 19:13:23 PM
Do not like that one either, yes I am picky...
Metal like that with different temperatures will move.
IS that m65 project any further, it has been years and years... If they are not quick they are outdated when they hit the water....


Since it is the last day of June, I checked the m65, the website now says "August 2008".

http://www.m65usa.com/m65.html

Do the principals of m65 post on this board? 

Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Mr Hollywood on July 04, 2008, 17:10:28 PM
They used to post here but as the project has been delayed over and over I guess they decided to lay low until they have something positive to report.  I realize that it is very, very difficult to get these kinds of things off the ground, but we're going on two years now, and as Leo pointed out somewhere, by the time this boat hits the water the design will already be a bit dated.  Not that older designs can't win races - they do all the time - but it's hard to generate as much excitement for something designed 3-4 years ago that is just now seeing the light of day.

Still, better some boat being built in North America than no boat.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on July 15, 2008, 00:44:10 AM
Working on the deck mold. Should be finished next week. Yeah.

First is deck with gel coat on.

Center photo is after 4 layers of Chopped Strand Mat.

Right photo is balsa core down to bulk up the mold for strength. Use vacuum bag to improve bond to underlying composite.

Look for PR release in next week or so.....

NAB
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NA-Builder on July 15, 2008, 00:49:35 AM
Third photo.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Mr Hollywood on July 15, 2008, 01:21:30 AM
Thanks for posting the photos and providing the update, NA Builder.  It's nice to see progress and get some encouraging news.  Best of luck in bringing this to market.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on August 19, 2008, 04:22:54 AM
OK it's official, NA-Builder is Third Coast Composites. Building a Pierre Rolland Series Design are Katie Ambach, Drew Wood and Sam Ausmus III.

See attached Press Release for more info.

More to come.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: r.finn on August 19, 2008, 22:41:06 PM
Cool, cool, cool.  Great team you have there, Sam.  Let's go sailing this winter.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Roberto on October 22, 2008, 20:40:46 PM
Just got notified about a blog entry by Herb Mc Cormick from the Annapolis Boat Show. I did get to see it floating at the dock there:

http://forums.sailingworld.com/blogs/?q=node/209
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: mt011 on November 05, 2008, 20:19:48 PM
  Sam.
    What is going to be the name of your series boat, any pricing
 info
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on November 06, 2008, 04:07:22 AM
  Sam.
    What is going to be the name of your series boat, any pricing
 info

Name will be "eKo". Look for pr release on why....

Pricing not ready yet. Working on final numbers.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: USA-415 on November 07, 2008, 17:16:11 PM
You named the boat after a character on a TV drama?!?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: r.finn on November 08, 2008, 14:12:04 PM
Let me guess, Pierre named it?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on November 08, 2008, 17:17:13 PM
Let me guess, Pierre named it?

Nope.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on November 12, 2008, 01:51:53 AM
I got it - eKo is the name of your pet armadillo!
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: r.finn on November 12, 2008, 15:04:27 PM
SNAP!
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on November 18, 2008, 06:30:46 AM
We infused the first deck today. Will uncover it tomorrow....

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on November 22, 2008, 18:34:52 PM
Deck pop'd right out.

Looking good, on to the hull.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Thomas on January 16, 2009, 20:01:28 PM
Sam,
I understand Katie and Drew are with you on that endeavor?

From what I can see the infused deck looks great. Looking to see the finished boat on the water soon!

Cheers
Thomas
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on January 17, 2009, 02:29:05 AM
Yeah, Drew and Katie are here in Texas.

Hull has been infused, interior is mostly in. Waiting for floatation foam to put bunk tops on and pull the interior molds.

Check out the photo's at www.thirdcoastcomposites.com/coppermine/index.php

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on January 29, 2009, 03:45:06 AM
Houston, we have a Mini Hull........ Out of the mold and looking good.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: USA-415 on January 29, 2009, 19:01:51 PM
Awesome Sam (you too Drew and Katie) that looks fantastic!  When's the launch date?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on January 30, 2009, 03:51:00 AM
Awesome Sam (you too Drew and Katie) that looks awesome!  When's the launch date?

No pressure here. When it get's wet we'll be partying....
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: shadow0000 on February 05, 2009, 10:03:33 AM
That is a beautiful news of you man... A mini builder oh i like that...



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Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sailorman on February 08, 2009, 15:45:41 PM
Hi from cold Russia :)

Beautiful boat! Perfect work!

Could I ask you any question about infusion? If it is possible lease contact me by email info@open650.ru or tell me you email address.

Thank you in advance!



Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on February 08, 2009, 17:24:32 PM
Email should be in your inbox.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on February 20, 2009, 16:18:55 PM
Bottom has been barrier coated and painted.

Deck is on, glued and taped.

Making steady progress.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on February 20, 2009, 16:27:21 PM
Looks good. Any idea yet when the boat will get wet?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on February 27, 2009, 15:56:48 PM
Looks good. Any idea yet when the boat will get wet?

Sailor66,

Not sure of a date yet, still have stuff coming in from suppliers. Just in time manufacturing....

We started painting the deck yesterday. Deck area's with out non-skid were painted first.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on March 23, 2009, 01:59:54 AM
Paint is through and hardware from Antal and Harken is going on.

Mast from US Spars is in the yard.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on March 23, 2009, 03:33:15 AM
Hi Sam,

Congratulations to the 3CCs team.  I wish I could be present when you 'unveil & launch" the eKo.
I have been following progress on your website - thanks for posting the pics.

I do have a couple of questions if you feel inclined to add a few lines to your next post:
Will there be any features of the eKo that will easily allow one to differentiate between her & her wealthier carbon relatives?
Will you weigh the boat before you launch her?
What will the rudders weigh without the hardware?
What is the colour of the deck & who chose it?
How extensive will the option list be?

Cheers,

A


 
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on March 23, 2009, 03:42:48 AM
Couple of questions:
Is that a strip of carbon I see in this pic? : http://www.thirdcoastcomposites.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6
Also, it was my understanding that epoxy is a no-no in Series boats.
So my questions have to do with what I am seeing in the pic and what is allowed for Series (or pending Series) boats.

Thanks
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on March 24, 2009, 02:51:30 AM
Hi Sam,

Congratulations to the 3CCs team.  I wish I could be present when you 'unveil & launch" the eKo.
I have been following progress on your website - thanks for posting the pics.

I do have a couple of questions if you feel inclined to add a few lines to your next post:
Will there be any features of the eKo that will easily allow one to differentiate between her & her wealthier carbon relatives?
Will you weigh the boat before you launch her?
What will the rudders weigh without the hardware?
What is the colour of the deck & who chose it?
How extensive will the option list be?

Cheers,

A


 

We will weigh her before she splashes.

The rudders weigh less than 10 lbs without hardware.

The cockpit is a custom blend that Katie created. More I look at it, I think it looks like the color on the 55 Chevy Nomad. Katie haddn't a clue what I was talking about.

We are currently working on the options list.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on March 24, 2009, 02:56:06 AM
Couple of questions:
Is that a strip of carbon I see in this pic? : http://www.thirdcoastcomposites.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6
Also, it was my understanding that epoxy is a no-no in Series boats.
So my questions have to do with what I am seeing in the pic and what is allowed for Series (or pending Series) boats.

Thanks

Good eye. That is carbon and that rudder is actually for Denver Hopkins Prototype that we have at the shop.

We are using epoxy foam between polyester and fiberglass skins for the series. That is allowed.

I will move those pictures to the correct section.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: sailor66 on March 24, 2009, 03:35:50 AM
Sam,
Thanks for the clarification. Things look great.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: USA-415 on March 24, 2009, 18:51:15 PM
Sweet........
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on March 25, 2009, 22:31:10 PM
"Those were the days my friend,
We thought they 'd never end  .. "

More retro please Sam ..
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on April 24, 2009, 03:09:08 AM
Getting very close to the water.

Shot of the cockpit.

Rudders being test fit.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on December 16, 2009, 18:21:20 PM
hi everyone,

new to this forum, i have been following the minis for several years now.
i am happy to see that the minis are finally built in the USA.
being myself in the nautical industry, we are evaluating starting the production of a "production mini" here in the USA. Until we finalize all the details, the boat will definitely be one of the fastest production mini currently built in europe, using a second set of molds.

Hoping some of you will react (in a positive way) to this post, we will definitely announce more information and specifics as they become available.

our goal is also to help promoting the class and organize races, across the USA and hopefully participate to other classes with our european friends.

thanks

osc007
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on December 16, 2009, 19:07:18 PM
Ohoh, only two healthy European yards and I bet youre not talking about the Pogo/ Structures. I am even not that sure of Haute MAritime, but the seems to go alright but selling low numbers, they must be making money in an other area... and I bet you do not mean the outdated SuperCalin1 you maybe still can buy, but it is yrs a go one was sold I believe.
Nacira, Tiptop; Zero, all are in financial problems.
Mistral, Twister, Sc2, Race2win, that Brest group, the Belgian group etc all dead as the parrot in the MOnthy Python sketch.

SO please, tell us the name.
And why does not Adrian sells them ?

And one problem for the Classe Mini, for being able to use a set of moulds the European parent company must have a large financial stake in the US subsidiary.
Otherwise its classed as a different serie, so you have to do the qualifications etc again. Thats not a big deal though. But selling ten again is.
Because all American boatyards (TamTam, M650 and Eko) have not sold ten all together.

So I wish you luck, and very deep pockets to make this a reality instead of a dream.
(read 200K as investment needed if you already have a boatshop)

And as you are still in evaluation period, I am available as advisor (built the Zero for yrs, worked with Adrian etc) Maybe it will cost you a few thousand, and it will save you probably tenfold...
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Sam Mini-Sailor.US on December 18, 2009, 03:13:55 AM
OSC007,

Listen to Leov, he tried to warn me. Did I listen, oh no, but I am building boats and still working on making the $$$'s work.

Sam
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: kendall on December 18, 2009, 06:15:51 AM
could have been the whiskey,
might have been the gin,
could have been the three or four six packs, I don't know
but look at the shape I'm in...
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on December 19, 2009, 13:38:25 PM
Thank you all for the advice. We are definitely exploring all aspects of building a great production mini transat in the USA. This will take a little time but already, we've made some nice progress.
With the eko boat, and hopefully our boat, by combining our efforts and maybe use the same suppliers, we can leverage our overall expenses and purchase more efficiently.

I truly believe that, for a project to succeed, one must do the best for himself and for the project. Building a mini transat is more than building a boat. The key is that all builders must work together to win.

There's lots of things to do and if we give the project a go, we will definitely announce all the details on this forum.

Cheers

OSC007
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on December 25, 2009, 15:15:11 PM
So pour your money into Sams business, better then pouring it in a fledging Eu yard :)
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on February 02, 2010, 15:55:19 PM
Hi everyone,

The word went out yesterday with our newsletter that we (Open Sailing) will be now the builder for the Pogo 2. Shortly after the newsletter went out, one of the readers called us up to talk about more details...and mentioned on the mini class forum that we had 3 boats pre-sold. That is not exact. We have one deposit, working on another one and will also build a boat for us (demo, racing, boat shows). In other words, we will start production with 2 boats, maybe 3.

We are still working on the final pricing structure but our target price is under $55K for the boat, complete with standing and running rigging (no sails, no trailer).
Of course, starting production in this difficult times is a challenge, but we have been very successful with the Open 5.70 (also a Finot design) and are well prepared to build the Pogo 2, with an incredible support from Pogo Structures in France.

We are working on a proposal for sailors who would be interested in the boat and will offer the boat at $50K for those who are ready to pull the trigger before the end of February. A deposit will be required of course. As mentioned, we have one deposit, which is great and we can't wait to start building.

Speaking of which, our builder is Columbia Yachts, out of Santa Ana, CA. Columbia Yachts is currently building the Open 5.70 for us and has so far done an excellent job doing so. With our support and quality control, each Open 5.70 that comes out of CY factory is an exact replica of the French ones.
The same quality control and attention to details are expected with the Pogo 2. As a matter of fact, once we have received the tooling from France, the French composite specialist of Pogo Structures will be traveling to So. Cal. in order to walk us through the production of the first boat.

At this time, we are looking at the logistics in importing the tooling from France. Although a mini fits (somewhat) in a container, the tooling doesn't ! ;) If all goes as planned, the tooling will be in the USA around April.
For the first 5 boats to be build, we are looking at one boat per month.
After that, we will be able to reduce the production time, as long as we can build more than one boat at a time.

Until we really figure all the prices and options out, we are happy to launch the production of the Pogo 2 here in the USA. The Pogo 2 is definitely not the latest design, but it is definitely the benchmark boat in the Mini world. It is great for us and the U.S. mini class. As far as racing, we haven't looked at the calendar too closely yet. There are plenty of races we could race the boat with in California. Maybe, MAYBE, our boat will be ready in time for the Pacific Cup...and we will double handed to Hawaii for the maiden voyage.

If you are interested, feel free to check our website. We are working on the Pogo 2 page on the site...although most of you already know the boat. Price list and options will also be updated in the next 2 weeks.

Sincerely,

Jerome
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on February 02, 2010, 15:59:26 PM
I tried to enter the Mini Class NA Forum but still can't login: "Your account is still awaiting admin approval."

can anyone help?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on February 02, 2010, 18:14:04 PM
This works for me:
http://www.miniclassus.org/

Welcome to the world of Mini promotion in North America.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on February 02, 2010, 19:29:21 PM
The NA market now has an active agent & builders for 8 Series Mini Designs.

Imports include:
Zero from Spain,
TipTop   France
SC2   Poland
2win650   Germany
RG650   Argentina

US Built
eKo  Third Coast Composites
m65   The Mini Store
Pogo 2  Open Sailing

All that is needed are Ministas with $s.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: NicoG on February 06, 2010, 09:31:37 AM
Thats more then in Europe :)
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: ctut on March 02, 2010, 19:51:33 PM
Add the Nacira 6.50 to this list.
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: phoenix on March 02, 2010, 20:58:58 PM
which list,

Imports or US built?
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: ctut on March 02, 2010, 22:57:42 PM
pending import. will depend on landed cost
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on March 24, 2010, 15:37:58 PM
Hi everyone,

Some fresh news about the Pogo 2 to be built in the USA:

- Shipping of the tooling has been arranged. It wasn't easy. The tooling is obviously oversized which makes it 1) expensive and 2) more complicated than shipping a boat itself in a box...The tooling is schedule to leave Europe on April 16th and should be delivered on May 31st in LA. If all goes well at the border, it will not take more than a week to clear U.S. Customs and the first Pogo 2 will be in production in June, for delivery in July.

- All (or we hope most of) production details have been thought out and we don't anticipate any bad news as we build the first boats.

- The Pogo 2 will still be available to the French market and Pogo Structures will remain the service provider to all Pogo 2 owners. Boats will be shipped to Europe with keel (not attached to the boat) and deck hardware. Stainless Steel hardware, standing, running rigging and spars will be supplied by Pogo Structures.

- We have received many inquiries which is great. It looks like the Mini Class is definitely up on the curve with more racers and sailors interested in the concept.

Our story will become more interesting as soon as we receive the tooling of course. As soon as production starts, we will have more information, photos and videos on our BLOG http://www.opensailingusa.com/About/Blog/ (http://www.opensailingusa.com/About/Blog/). We will start racing as soon as our Pogo 2 is ready. The first boat built will be our demo/racing boat. The next two are boats for new owners. We hope that some of you will pull the trigger to join the Mini Class after seeing and probably trying the Pogo 2.

Cheers

jerome
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: OSC007 on May 05, 2010, 22:40:15 PM
Hi everyone,

No news good news as they say in France!!!

Finally, the tooling to build the P2 in the USA is ready to ship out. Another month and a half and the complete molds for the boat will be delivered at Columbia Yachts and we will start production of the first U.S. built Pogo 2. I don't know about you, but I am super excited. I was racing on my Open 5.70 in San Francisco last weekend and I spotted a couple of minis (from a distance, one seemed to be a proto, the one a production boat). We can't wait to join their fleet and have fun. We also found another proto, on a pretty cool aluminum trailer parked at Alameda Marine with a nice carbon rig. I remember the bow number to be 305 I think...

Back to the P2...some news on our BLOG with photos of the inside of the boat (some of you asked for them) and also a couple of photos from yesterday of the tooling, packed up, ready to ship!

Follow this link if you want to read and view the photos: http://www.opensailingusa.com/News/?p=1279

Still lots of sailors interested.

The next step is to support the class and although we know how the French work (I'm dual citizen French/U.S.), I would love to know if someone can direct me to the "sailors in charge" within the class so we can help the class grow through races, events, sponsoring, websites...

Thanks all and see you soon on the water!

Jerome
Title: Re: New NA Mini Builder
Post by: Adrian on May 07, 2010, 10:46:54 AM
Hi Jerome,
Thanks for your news on the P2 developments.
The person you need to contact re the North American Association is Sam Ausmuss.
A date for the 2010 AGM, to be held in Newport, has been set and a new Board will be elected or appointed.
We urgently need a new Board to move the Association forward & it looks as though there may be an opportunity for participation in the meeting through Skype.
You can find some comments and discussion on the Association forum indicating that others share your interest & willingness to strengthen the class in North America.
Adrian